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Kevin_in_GA
4,599 posts
msg #131969
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10/17/2016 6:18:10 PM

Basically the trend for both DWTI and UWTI is negative, as is the issue with many leveraged ETFs and especially with 3x ETFS. In this specific instance looks at the YTD performance - DWTI is down -70.49% and UWTI is down -31.95%.

The system focuses only on shorting DWTI or UWTI instead of going long in either.

BarTune1
441 posts
msg #131970
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modified
10/17/2016 7:34:38 PM

@Mahkoh

Shorting DWTI (if you are able to borrow the shares) is a much better option than going long UWTI because of the natural decay of triple leveraged ETFs. They are notoriously inefficient and daily rebalancing costs are a constant drag on the price typically. In effect, Kevin is trading with the tide rather than fighting it.

You do have a point in that the short could be called in at any time. That being said, I've shorted well over a thousand trades in the last couple years and have only ever been called on a few trades (less than 5).

@Kevin

Wondering if the logic above would be useful in trading your VIX signals. Rather than go long VXX on a buy signal, might be better off shorting the inverse leveraged ETF?

mahkoh
1,065 posts
msg #131973
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modified
10/18/2016 6:08:19 AM

If this is the usual picture it's not after 10 to 15 days that they seriously move out of sync if you take the cost of borrowing into account.

Fetcher[
symlist(dwti,uwti)
add column roc(2,1)
add column roc(3,1)
add column roc(4,1)
add column roc(5,1)
add column roc(6,1)
add column roc(7,1)
add column roc(8,1)
add column roc(9,1)
add column roc(10,1)
add column roc(11,1)
add column roc(12,1)
add column roc(13,1)
add column roc(14,1)
add column roc(15,1)
add column roc(16,1)
add column roc(17,1)
add column roc(18,1)
add column roc(19,1)
add column roc(20,1)
]





johnpaulca
12,036 posts
msg #131979
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10/18/2016 9:15:34 AM

johnpaulca
10,137 posts
msg #131947 10/17/2016 9:25:21 AM

SPY....daily pullback in effect
- intraday bounce should occur since we're at the lower end between the BB40 and BB125.

Gold...1252(support) still holding

OIL...daily trend up but losing momo. Fake contracts will expire on the 20th Oct.

VIX...Trend up with slowing momo...cycle looks to be over, sell haven't triggered as yet.

XIV/TVIX....XIV trend up with pullback in effect( buyers will add to long). TVIX sell not triggered
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Update Tuesday:
SPY....bounce will occur today, we're still between the two BB bands as they are tightening
GOLD....will bounce from support today(long RGLD)
OIL....bounce today(lower dollar)...short sellers be taking up positions...imho
VIX....down day with continuing slowing momo...support at $14.95
XIV....will move up with the market today(long)

SPY....will open oversold intraday, frustration again for traders entering at open since the meat of this move is in pre-market....glty

johnpaulca
12,036 posts
msg #131980
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10/18/2016 9:25:29 AM

OIL futures just hit $50.94....great place to short with tight stops.

Kevin_in_GA
4,599 posts
msg #131981
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10/18/2016 9:31:57 AM

Kevin_in_GA
3,805 posts
msg #131872
10/12/2016 9:45:09 AM

Short 1000 shares of DWTI at $58.00. May add to this as needed.

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Added another 1000 shares at $59.50. I have a multisystem for shorting UWTI based on 10 unique separate signals each with a historical win% of 85% or higher. Right now 7 of 10 are in play and the open trades are currently at a loss after this morning's move up.

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Out of this position at $57.00 right at the open for a net gain of $3479 after commissions.

johnpaulca
12,036 posts
msg #131982
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10/18/2016 9:39:21 AM

$57....that was a great fill price....nice trade.

BarTune1
441 posts
msg #131983
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10/18/2016 10:17:56 AM

Nice one Kevin ....

Kevin_in_GA
4,599 posts
msg #131984
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10/18/2016 10:40:48 AM

Admittedly, I was watching the premarket pricing like a hawk, and the sucker kept dropping. My plan was to only sell half my position but I decided to take the money off the table once it got that low.

gmg733
788 posts
msg #131987
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10/18/2016 1:59:30 PM

Sold some OTM Calls in SPY and sold a SPX strangle. IV is higher than normal and looking for some pull back in IV.

Will manager early. 50% on the SPY short calls and 40% on the SPX strangle.

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