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| dtatu msg #131654 modified |
10/1/2016 10:07:53 AM I think I'll start tracking your signals and trade, as I explained, for a while, on paper, the Futures spreads F1-F2 ,( I'll use only 1 contract in the beginning) using the official open of both to calculate the spread, and let you know, guys, about the results. |
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| dtatu msg #131653 modified |
10/1/2016 9:52:15 AM mahkoh, re.For long signals sell deep in the money ^VIX calls 2 - 3 weeks out. The premium involved is usually over 70 % so you have a big time decay advantage: I also noticed that, actually, VIX Options have their underlying the VIX Futures and not VIX spot: if you look at the Oct 18 expiration, you will notice that the option which has a delta of 50% ( the At The Money) is the 16 Call ( the price of the Oct futures) and not the 13.5 call ( the price of the Vix index). This means that : VIX index has options based on the price of the VIX Futures ? that's really confusing ( like many other things in VIX). In conclusion, your plan to sell deep in the money options for their High Time premium seems to have no validity, as , for example, Oct 18 10 call goes for 5.50 bid-5.90 ask ( underlying Oct VIX future at 15.95) which is actually at a discount, with Zero Time premium in it and 100% Intrinsic value!); this would make the case for using deep in the money options to mimic the VIX futures (not the index, though); but then ,why bother with options instead of going long the Futures? |
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| dtatu msg #131649 modified |
10/1/2016 7:57:49 AM mahkoh, re.For long signals sell deep in the money ^VIX calls 2 - 3 weeks out. The premium involved is usually over 70 % so you have a big time decay advantage: maybe you could give us an example , this weekend, of a choice of a deep in the money call? Not sure it's clear for me. Why would you sell short calls if you get a Buy signal? I'd rather do it on the system Sell signal? When VIX goes up, it goes in big fast spikes,which could give you big drawdowns on the short calls. |
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| dtatu msg #131631 modified |
9/30/2016 1:14:04 PM No, i's not at all a predictive model for the VIX spot: I only see it as a possible way to trade the VIX system above, ( and maybe a more prudent one) as the VIX index cannot be traded. If you move your cursor on the graph from Sep 7 to 14, you can see that: 1. VIX spot goes from 11.94 to 18.14= an increase of almost 52% 2. the difference between F2 and F1( 2 nd month minus front month) drops from 19.28% to 2.72%= a drop of 86 % ! this means that the front month(F1) advances much more than the second month (F2) when the VIX spot goes up.If the price of F1 becomes higher than F2= Backwardation ( bullish for VIX- bearish for the markets) So, if the system gives a buy signal, one buys 1 Vix futures front month(F1) and simultaneously sells short the 2 nd month (F2) , hoping that F1 will gain more than the loss in F2( the spread narrows). When one exits on an exit signal, one closes BOTH in the same time as a spread again ( sells to close F1 and buys to close F2) Hope it' s clearer? Any opinions on this alternative / surrogate for VIX spot are welcome , of course. |
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| dtatu msg #131614 modified |
9/30/2016 6:18:09 AM re:The system is promising, but has trouble tracking Vix. Just an idea : ( go again to : http://vixcentral.com/ , then click on the contango tab, then choose VIX Spot and F1-F2 Contango which will project their comparative graphs, and ZOOM !): 1. what about trading the Spread futures F1-F2 for long signals and F2- F1 for shorts ( eg. for a Long now, you would buy 1 Oct contract and sell 1 Nov and play the spread only; this would also limit the drawdowns,which could be very violent, in real life, in VIX?) 2. Did you try to take the opposite trade in SPY? ( for long VIX ,short SPY,etc.) |
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| dtatu msg #131484 modified |
9/24/2016 6:36:38 PM then, one has to check the VIX index every day: I suggest this great link ( a picture is worth a 1000 words; play with the graph: everything is in it) http://vixcentral.com/ |
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| dtatu msg #131475 |
9/24/2016 11:15:28 AM Sincerely, unless somebody brings solid, real time proof that this system works both with long and short signals, I think the only way one can hope having a winning system with leveraged , volatility ETFs, is to take only the SHORT signals (decreasing volatility) on VXX, TWIX.( and maybe going long the inverse XIV;not sure though) |
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| dtatu msg #131330 |
9/20/2016 10:49:41 AM RE: "Just what I'm trading now. You can catch all the action at collective2. My system is called Donkey Punch Vix and it's currently up 115% in less than 6 months. It currently sells for $29, but will soon quadruple." I can't find any trace of it on Collective2.Can you help? |
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| dtatu msg #131321 modified |
9/20/2016 1:30:13 AM Re: "You can run strata search for tvix, Xiv, Vxx or whatever you want. I already have one for Svxy. This thread gave me an idea to do short strategies for drag products. Still ..." In real life , though, I see, quite often, " short sale restrictions" on TVIX or XIV: right now, TVIX, is under a short selling restriction until 20 Sept at 20.00; so, playing the short side on these ETF will not be possible when the market moves big against them |
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| dtatu msg #131187 |
9/15/2016 5:37:17 PM Thanks for the interesting idea. Question: backtesting leveraged ETF like TVIX, VXX, which were reverse split many times over the years, influences ,positively, the results of the system ? May Some of the signals not be true, using these charts? ( example: no farther than October 2015, the close of TVIX turns around 1400, according to a 2 year SF chart , which is, definitely not a real price, but one obtained in order to fit all the reversal splits since then) Just asking; I afraid that in real time , this system might not be the same?? Anybody has any experience with backtesting these leverage ETF's? Take a look at this link, too: https://www.splithistory.com/?symbol=tvix |
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